That sounds alot like campers in Halo 3. All I want to do is take a rocket launcher or several stickys to them. I die before anything happens though. When people are of that mindset it doesn't matter what crutch they think they have to use to help them "win" the game. There is no convincing or surprising them. They just think they're good because they "win" all the time. The real winners are those that are successful and conquer the game as it was intended. Everyone else just sucks and found a shortcut. I suck, but at least I try to win the good way. All I try to do is at least score once. Then I can get blown apart and die for the rest of the game. The reason is when I kill you, and I suck, it doesn't matter how many kills you had before hand. It mean's yoru straight back to zero and have to kill me again. Otherwise your gonna let a sucky player beat you. And ya, some of them do play like that. That's why I like playing with "real" players.