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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
« Reply #600 on: August 20, 2007, 01:09:33 pm »
Everybody can pagebreak?

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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
« Reply #601 on: August 20, 2007, 02:23:56 pm »
Dude this is the second time I img tag a quote. I don't know what's wrong with me.

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« Reply #602 on: August 20, 2007, 02:30:24 pm »
It's because an img says a thousand words.

Also, I have no clue why I said I THINK. I guess it's because I don't think I really know any natural black haired people... except my dad, of course. But I haven't seen him in almost a year. Damn, time flies...

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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
« Reply #603 on: August 20, 2007, 02:59:52 pm »
I tried the Stranglehold demo on 360 yesterday. I'm totally buying it sometime. It's like Max Payne minus drama plus even more bullet time. And sliding down handrails while shooting people.
Better try that out as well, sounds like fun. The bioshock demo was nice too and it has received very high scores on reviews... coming out this week i think.

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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
« Reply #604 on: August 20, 2007, 03:57:21 pm »
bioshock will be awesome.

in the meantime my 360 has gone away to be mended by the nice microsoft people, however i suspect they will just replace it.

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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
« Reply #605 on: August 21, 2007, 12:12:16 am »
what's happening to 360's? I am worried because I purchased one 1 week ago D:
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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
« Reply #606 on: August 21, 2007, 12:50:57 am »
I don't usually shower at guy friend's houses.

Because that would make you gay.

 :-*

But seriously!  Chlorine does not make your hair turn green.  And yeah, don't bleach your hair if you can avoid it, it will feel like straw and then if you don't re-bleach it regularly you're left with dumb lookin hair for at least a month; cuz a dude with roots is not what you want to be.

haha my hair is strong =p i bleach it every month or so and no strawhead yet. But yes..crunchy hair is a nono
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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
« Reply #607 on: August 21, 2007, 05:13:05 am »
what's happening to 360's? I am worried because I purchased one 1 week ago D:

Extremely high defect rate. Mine has a faulty DVD drive(tray doesn't always open, occasionally unable to read disks), but luckily no overheating so far. I talked to a local retailer and they suspect 20-30% of 360s lasting less than a year. Good thing they extended the warranty, so no need to worry. In comparison Wii and PS3 are somewhere under 1%, which is far below the industry standard of 3-5%.

What's with everyone bleaching their hair?

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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
« Reply #608 on: August 21, 2007, 08:30:24 am »
What's with everyone bleaching their hair?

They just wanna be ganguro.
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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
« Reply #609 on: August 21, 2007, 09:45:14 am »

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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
« Reply #610 on: August 21, 2007, 12:38:24 pm »
Maybe an invisible wall? Or an invisible floor that goes outside the room?

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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
« Reply #611 on: August 21, 2007, 01:53:04 pm »
glitches ftw.

That would look interesting to abuse for a Twinsen speedrun though, I guess. :P

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« Reply #612 on: August 21, 2007, 02:24:23 pm »
heheh, there are about a dozen glitches currently in twinsen, most of them are pretty minor stuff like twinsen's arms going up and down when he changes direction mid-jump, and the clouds moving 1 frame later than the sky.
but there are some exploits that are kinda handy and tough to pull off, but not tough enough, so they must go >:0

falling off the edge of the level is pretty useless though, because you can only do it once you reach the end of the level, and since twinsen moves 2 pixels per frame as his slowest pace, you need to move onto the first pixel where there is no floor collision, meaning you can only do it half the time at best :P
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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
« Reply #613 on: August 24, 2007, 10:25:21 am »
we've been looking after my uncles dog (Don) for the last two weeks while he's in las vegas, and I hate the little punk.
To be fair, my uncle hasn't trained him at all, he doesn't sit or anything, and he's constantly jumping into the doors and windows- wanting to come inside.
and he's just annoying, like I'll play fetch with both of them, Jazz will chase the ball, run back and drop it at my feet, Don will just piss allover it etc

Anywho, our neighbours took a photo of both dogs today, they climbed up the fence and were peeking over:

as much as I don't like don, its a nice photo

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just realized I double posted  :-[
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« Reply #614 on: August 25, 2007, 09:10:56 am »
BAN'D

Oh crap I can't do that anymore..

Oh crap, I've never been able to do that... Oh well.

I'd say it's alright. No one's posted in this thread for FOUR DAYS anyway. I think people have fallen asleep, or caught on fire. I almost burst into flames two days ago when walking to school. It's seriously that freaking warm here. Well, I guess most of America has it even worse, I'm still pretty far up north... but still, this is beyond the kind of warmth that I'm used to. It's downright unpleasant.

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« Reply #615 on: August 25, 2007, 11:27:25 pm »
Thank god it's finally raining here... I really hate the unnatural heat combined with the erratic weather.

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« Reply #616 on: August 26, 2007, 12:00:24 am »

Oh yeah, something painful to watch 
Miss Teen USA 2007
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww


Whoa...wha-.. hmmmm...

I'm not sure the answer "Education in the United States should help South African countries so we will be able to build up our future" is an adequate response to the question: "Why do you think 5% of the American population cannot locate the U.S. on a map."

This is why other countries dislike the U.S.

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« Reply #617 on: August 26, 2007, 06:00:11 am »


anyone seen this?
can you uh spot the not O_o

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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
« Reply #618 on: August 26, 2007, 06:16:33 am »
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It's terrible, Frank! My father died the same way... (From crappy game-porting ideas, that is)

I mean, seriously, how could that not upset the balance? Have a team of 5 Gafgarions at the beginning of chapter 2?
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« Reply #619 on: August 26, 2007, 07:50:09 pm »
So I actually decided to find out what all this Cave Story hype is about. Wow. I am impressed. It is really fun to play with my Xbox 360 controller.

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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
« Reply #620 on: August 26, 2007, 07:58:53 pm »
Actually I prefer to use my keyboard for cave story. That way I get to use my Left Middle Finger of Mashing Doom to kill the bosses in no time :]

Otherwise than that, playing with a gamepad is nice :D
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« Reply #621 on: August 27, 2007, 12:18:25 am »
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It's terrible, Frank! My father died the same way... (From crappy game-porting ideas, that is)

I mean, seriously, how could that not upset the balance? Have a team of 5 Gafgarions at the beginning of chapter 2?

you can be level 99 before chapter 2, the game is not balanced
it jumps between way too easy
and stupidly hard
based on certain qualities of the engine

i was rather referring to how out of style the sprite was, it sticks out like a sore thumb, a sore thumb with a very flat head.
the onion knight fits relatively well, if it's not a bit bright.

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« Reply #622 on: August 27, 2007, 05:03:34 pm »

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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
« Reply #623 on: August 27, 2007, 09:36:59 pm »
Lots of metroid reviews have been rolling out, and gametrailers has just finished their retrospective of the franchise:
http://www.gametrailers.com/game/5261.html

I'm really dreading when gamespot puts up their review, shall we place bets? I'm thinking an 8.4/10

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and the gamespot review is in, 8.5/10 for Prime 3 :P classic gamespot, such idiots..
they also gave Super Metroid an 8.5/10, their justification was "Nintendo waited 13 years to let us play Super Metroid again." :crazy: :y:
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« Reply #624 on: August 27, 2007, 10:01:52 pm »
Reading Festival was the dogs bollocks,  never smoked so much weed in 5 days before!

seriously reccomend it to anyone, just a great exerience - so much so i hardly noticed i was away from the interwebz :p

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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
« Reply #625 on: August 27, 2007, 10:26:21 pm »
Actually I prefer to use my keyboard for cave story. That way I get to use my Left Middle Finger of Mashing Doom to kill the bosses in no time :]

Otherwise than that, playing with a gamepad is nice :D

I dunno, it's just more fluid with a gamepad. It reminds me so much of the classic NES games. I love it!


It makes me want to make a sidescrolling RPG. Maybe a Hack and Slash. That would be cool. But it would also be Castlevania. Oh well.

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« Reply #626 on: August 28, 2007, 09:13:35 am »
and the gamespot review is in, 8.5/10 for Prime 3 :P classic gamespot, such idiots..

Huh? Is Corruption better than that? Doesn't look it to me. I had high hopes in the beginning, but the more they showed the less I want it. I actually dare say I still have no reason to buy a Wii. In the beginning, it was Zelda and Red Steel. However, I've never bought a Zelda game in my life, so that I didn't do it this time is no surprise. Red Steel turned out mediocre. Then Prime and SSBB remained. SSBB will be great, but not great enough for me to buy a console for, especially when I have no friends to play it with. And Prime, like I said, has lost more and more of its appeal to me.

Besides, 8.5 is WAY above avarage. On Gamespot's scale, I find anything above 7 buy-worthy at full price, as long as it's not a genre I happen to hate. The bad points seem fair, too. Score reduced because it feel less adventurous and more of an action game (something I've been worrying about all the time), it's too similar to the previous games (something I hated about Echoes, half of the enemies were just remakes of Prime enemies, and the level design was similar - but worse), and some context-sensitive stuff doesn't work very well. Seem like fair points to me.

However, it got more of those good "badge" type thingies than any other game I've seen since Gamespot redesigned their system. It got awards for awesome bosses, sharp controls (a first on the Wii), outstanding visual design, and great sequel. And the review even states that if you like Metroid, you WILL buy Corruption, you have no reason not to. I don't know how you can call that a bad review. How does that make the editor an idiot?

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« Reply #627 on: August 28, 2007, 10:36:06 am »
the thing is, gamespot does a terrible job at reviewing games.. I've had to defend myself too much today regarding this, so forgive me if I don't sound enthused.
gamespot gave warioware (wii) a 9.1/10
It looked to be a decent game, I definitely wasn't going to buy it, and it definitely doesn't look better than metroid.
gamespot gave the RE4 remake a 9.1/10
A remake of a gamecube game that offered absolutely nothing new except wii controls.
Metroid Prime 3 is one of the biggest games of the year, especially for nintendo fans, it's been built from the ground up specifically for the Wii, and they still somehow managed to list the intuitive and immersive controls as a con because they make the game "too easy"

I don't really have a problem with gamespot's score, but it's the fact their reviews are constantly 10% off the norm, usually in the opposite direction of others and they never explain intelligently why.
And because they're still "a good score" people consider gamespot just as relevant and totally look past their sloppy, retarded, nonsensical review, simply because the score is "still a good score"

Look at the super metroid review, a game that is no stranger to top ten lists and has claimed the #1 spot more than once, they also gave it an 8.5 simply because nintendo waited 13 years to port it.
Is that a con?
if nintendo did port the game to GBA or DS, you can bet gamespot would've docked 6 points off because they didn't want a port.
they make no sense, and just because their scores are "still good" does not mean I'm going to look past it.
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« Reply #628 on: August 28, 2007, 06:52:10 pm »
Heh, we're complete opposites, then. I've had to defend Gamespot, because so far they've only had TWO reviews I've ever disagreed with. They're usually exactly in tune with my own opinion.

I can't comment on those examples, except for RE4, which I don't doubt is one of the, if not the best game available for the Wii right now. It's a completely amazing game, even if it's just a straight port with new controls, that still makes it a completely amazing game - if maybe a bit older than the first time it showed up.

He never said the controls make it too easy, he meant they seem to make it more of an action game than an adventure game. The first Prime made it very obvious it's not an FPS because it didn't use the dual thumbstick control scheme. No need for precise aiming, more focus on tactics in battles, and exploration outside of them. That little nuance is gone in Corruption. I think that's what he wanted to point out. I do hear it's much more action oriented than the previous games, and less exploration based.

Gamespot's reviews are constantly 10% off the norm? Compared to what? The only sites I actually look at for serious reviews are IGN and Gamespot, and IGN seem to score good games even higher and bad games even lower. Gamespot are extremely good at avoiding handing out perfect ratings. IGN is worse at that. IGN are also much better at focusing so much on minor flaws in games that they consistently forget to mention some of the good things. Gamespot, in my opinion, make it perfectly clear exactly what's good and what's less good about every game they've reviewed lately. That, in combination with the score, paints a really clear picture to me. You shouldn't just go by the score alone, it's more of a compliment to the review itself.

Super Metroid you say? 8.5 seems right to me. Well, I might prefer it a bit closer to 9. Say... 8.8 or something like that. Why, what'd you rate it? Without being blinded by nostalgia, of course. I couldn't, I played Super Metroid for the first time a mere three years ago. I remember finding it too easy, actually, very uninteresting enemies, and extremely strange, floaty controls that took me hours to get used to. Seriously. However, it IS still one of the best exploration based games, the art is great and the music is fantastic. So 8.8 seems fine to me.

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« Reply #629 on: August 28, 2007, 10:46:07 pm »
I suppose if you love the Metroid series, you would be inclined to buy Corruption and/or rate it an extremely high number.

In other news, my PC stopped booting up, so I won't be making a fool of myself for a while.  I'm typing this on my Wii. Auto Dictionary for the win.
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« Reply #630 on: August 29, 2007, 12:33:08 am »
I had a crazy idea for a challenge... couldn't find the ideas thread though so here it is...

I was playing tetris, and I had left the far left side empty, so if I got a | piece, I could get the 4-clears in a row. And then it appeared... the face of our lord god, Arthur Fonzarelli. Kidding... but it looked somewhat like a generic smiley face. I was wondering if anybody would try a tetris like color area restraint. Basically, your pixel image would have to be made up pixels form like tetris blocks (remember, 4 blocks a piece) and each tetris piece being a color itself. Now, if you want to get super-challenged, you could make each similar piece a similar color as well. I'd pay to see something like that (as long as it wasn't too small, and unchallenging).

Any takers?

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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
« Reply #631 on: August 29, 2007, 01:19:17 am »
Reading Festival was the dogs bollocks,  never smoked so much weed in 5 days before!
never smoked so much weed in 5 days before!
never smoked so much weed in 5 days before!

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I play Cave Story (when i play it) with a gamepad as well, I can't find myself playing platformers on a keyboard very effectively. I beat R-Type 3 last weekend, (emulated, mind you, only save-stated at regular checkpoints, though. :P)  Seriously though, does _anyone_ play that game for score? Ridiculous.

Anyway, kinda bummed now that school is in session, taking 3 AP courses this semester alone. Have no idea how I am going to schedule work around the work, but I need to pay off my car. I'm also finding less time to finish a game I am working on, which is frustrating because this one is actually GOING somewhere, and I am interested in finishing it (this is a very rare thing.)

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« Reply #632 on: August 29, 2007, 01:52:24 am »
woo, drugs  :-\

R-type is certainly beatable with one coin and it appeals to a certain type of shooter player, the one that likes the memorex thing, not the twitch thing.

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« Reply #633 on: August 29, 2007, 07:52:06 am »
Heh, we're complete opposites, then. I've had to defend Gamespot, because so far they've only had TWO reviews I've ever disagreed with. They're usually exactly in tune with my own opinion.

I can't comment on those examples, except for RE4, which I don't doubt is one of the, if not the best game available for the Wii right now. It's a completely amazing game, even if it's just a straight port with new controls, that still makes it a completely amazing game - if maybe a bit older than the first time it showed up.

He never said the controls make it too easy, he meant they seem to make it more of an action game than an adventure game. The first Prime made it very obvious it's not an FPS because it didn't use the dual thumbstick control scheme. No need for precise aiming, more focus on tactics in battles, and exploration outside of them. That little nuance is gone in Corruption. I think that's what he wanted to point out. I do hear it's much more action oriented than the previous games, and less exploration based.

Gamespot's reviews are constantly 10% off the norm? Compared to what? The only sites I actually look at for serious reviews are IGN and Gamespot, and IGN seem to score good games even higher and bad games even lower. Gamespot are extremely good at avoiding handing out perfect ratings. IGN is worse at that. IGN are also much better at focusing so much on minor flaws in games that they consistently forget to mention some of the good things. Gamespot, in my opinion, make it perfectly clear exactly what's good and what's less good about every game they've reviewed lately. That, in combination with the score, paints a really clear picture to me. You shouldn't just go by the score alone, it's more of a compliment to the review itself.

Super Metroid you say? 8.5 seems right to me. Well, I might prefer it a bit closer to 9. Say... 8.8 or something like that. Why, what'd you rate it? Without being blinded by nostalgia, of course. I couldn't, I played Super Metroid for the first time a mere three years ago. I remember finding it too easy, actually, very uninteresting enemies, and extremely strange, floaty controls that took me hours to get used to. Seriously. However, it IS still one of the best exploration based games, the art is great and the music is fantastic. So 8.8 seems fine to me.
I'm not happy because you've brought me to re-read gamespots retarded reviews in an effort to make their stupidity undeniable.
I will put the RE4 Wii version review up against the Prime 3 review.

First, it is clear to note that gamespot did not deduct any points from RE4 because it was a port, they atleast did not state that they did - they didn't list the fact it's a port in the cons list, and he repeatedly delivered stumbled sentences insisting that even though it's a port it's still good etc.
Honestly, the RE4 review isn't written too badly, but I'd still disagree with the score, the best version of the game? probably, but since it's taken them four versions to get it the best it can be I would deduct points.

The MP3 review however is a god damn mess.
like all gamespot reviews it starts off by listing the pros and cons in an effort to save you the brain damage from reading their review.
for the pros, he lists the excellent environmental puzzles, boss fights, level design, and the overall gameplay.
in the cons he lists some of the motion sensitive controls aren't always read successfully, the "streamlined" controls make the game too easy, and points out that it's a sequel.

the first paragraph seems to take no notice of the pros and con list, assuring those that MP3 continues the excellent series, the controls are "terrific and intuiitive", "is a dream",etc.
then further contradictions stating the combat is "easier" and the overall design is "conservative"

the next paragraph he reminds players that the first metroid prime was great, and even though this third game is a "solid successor" somehow it shouldn't stop you from checking it out.
this review is littered with back-handed compliments like this that make no god damn sense and is a clear depiction that this is not a review, this is propaganda disguised as a review and covered up with a "still good score"

Forget the fact that yes there are metroid fanboys complaining about nothing more than the score, and consider that for this review they gave it the score of a 4/10.
It would fit in just as well, the only difference it would make is the fact that no one could argue gamespot's writers are not idiots.

Almost every paragraph starts with "If"s and "But"s, they constantly dance around noting anything substantial about Prime 3, and infact I'd say they make more better points when they reference back to prime1/2
And whenever he finds himself praising some part of the game, he quickly rights himself and brings up the context sensitive controls that he has a problem with.
I'd like to point out that IGN praised the context sensitive controls, and went so far to say they were beautifully implemented and did not feel gimmicky at all.
I'm going to wait until I get the game to pass judgement myself, but I'll also remind you gamespot is home to fat lazy reviewers who tried to bowl sitting on the couch swinging their arm like some sort of handicap and then blamed it on the game when they kept getting gutter-balls.
and then of course in the final paragraph he mentions the disappointing lack of multiplayer.

does it sound like I hate gamespot?
I'm really not trying to hide it, they write like idiots, they do not know how to assess games with their constant use of phrases like "gives the impression" "looks like", I've long since gotten sick of their back handed reviews and their constant stream of contradictory and illogical reviews.


I greatly prefer reviews from IGN and GT, why?
because the guys at IGN and GT to me, are gamers first, and reviewers second.
they're not these pretentious cynical assholes that go into every review with a dozen back-handed compliments and a score they'll scramble to justify in mind.
they just make proper notes of things the game did a good job delivering, or didn't.

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Not sure if anyone wants to bother nore care about it, but GS has always been slanted against Nintendo, well at least for 10 years now. I have proof too. Using gamerankings.com you can search how a online/print magazine reviews games PER system. If you check this generation (wii, 360, ps3) you will find that Wii games get scored 2% lower than everyone else AND only 40% of their reviews for Wii are higher than the others (as in they come dead last.) The 360 is down by almost 1% and their average is around 50%, but when it's the PS3 they UPreview over other sites by I think 7% and 67% of their reviews are HIGHER than the rest of the sites.

NOW that's documented slant.
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Man, I wasn't going to post about this...

Like a lot of other people, I was kind of surprised to see the 8.5, especially given IGN's review and the seeming consensus that this is a top-notch game, and probably Wii's finest thus far. But, hey -- I respect a diversity of opinion, and anyways, most people are right: no sense in whining about the score a game gets when we haven't even played it yet. Right?

But then I read the review and... boy, it submarines this game! I'm sure you've heard the expression "damned by faint praise." The idea being that if you call something "fairly good," "decent," or "passable" it has the same negative effect (and sometimes stronger) than calling it "bad." Well the idea of "faint praise" is too strong for this review. It reads almost as though the reviewer wants the game to fail. Conspiracy-theory much? Yeah, I don't want to go down that road, but let's take a look:

The game is an 8.5, right? That's a high score. Should mean that this is a very good game, right? It is, after all, "a high-quality continuation of the series" with "terrific and intuitive" controls. Now... if this is a high-quality continuation of a series that has thus far scored 9.7 and 9.1, it should be pretty darned good. Yet the remainder of the opening paragraph -- more than half -- starts to run negative, saying that the game "does exactly what you expect it to do, no more and no less." Hmm...

The second paragraph digs in hard, comparing this game to its lauded progenitor: "{w}hile Metroid Prime spectacularly ushered Metroid gameplay into a 3D vision, Corruption is content to be a solid successor." "Content" makes the designers sound lazy, and "solid" isn't a very enthusiastic description. Are 8.5s "solid"? Then, the reviewer assures us that "{we} shouldn't let some spurts of predictability dissuade you from checking it out"... well, I should hope not if it's an 8.5... I mean, that's really good, right? "Terrific and intuitive" controls, right? I mean, why does the reviewer start to sense that his review of this 8.5 game might dissuade us from even checking it out? But he can't even let it rest there... not just anyone should check this out, but "particularly if you are a Metroid enthusiast." Here the review starts to insinuate that the game is good, not just for people who enjoy games like Prime, but for those who are specifically Metroid-people. "Enthusiasts," which is a not-too-subtle euphemism for Fanboys.

The reviewer seemingly cannot compliment the game without immediately following up with some sort of an insult or criticism. Check out this from the fourth paragraph: "The obvious change here is in the controls, and Corruption leaves behind the methodical maneuvering of its GameCube brethren with an intuitive and configurable scheme that sets the standard for first-person shooting controls on the Wii, despite Corruption's battles not being all that challenging." Good God, what a sentence. First, he cheapshots the GameCube with its "methodical maneuvering"... which... I guess... would be roughly equivalent to the methodical maneuvering currently found on all the other consoles, right? Then, he states that this control set-up "sets the standard...on the Wii"! Excuse me, but... why the modifier? Consensus seems to be that this control set-up "sets the standard" period. For the 360. For the PS3. For all of them. Then, and despite the fact that it doesn't strictly relate to the quality of the controls, he ends the sentence by slighting the game's challenge. I won't count them all out to you, but I dare you to comb through the article and take a look at the "compliments" -- they almostalways go hand-in-hand with a slight.

Not that the reviewer needs the excuse of balancing a compliment to slam the game. In the third paragraph, in referencing the idea that the reviewer doesn't plan on spoiling us, he takes a gratuitous pot shot: "(Not that the Prime games have ever strived to set standards for gaming fiction.) " Well, great. What does that mean? That the story's weak? No -- the reviewer wouldn't go so far; his goal is, apparently, to make his review seem positive while infusing it with insults and complaints.

All in all, we learn that the control scheme "{has} been done before, of course," that the game is "without a sense of challenge," and that it is too much a FPS (apparently due to the smooth controls) which "keep{s} it from being as special as the other Prime titles." Indeed, that "Corruption loses some of its sense of wonder and strangeness on the Wii. Rather than being a true action adventure, it's hard to lose the sense that it's merely an FPS with trimmings."

Wow. Now... how do we reconcile the idea that it's lost its "sense of wonder" when the game "features superb art direction, so every level is even more incredible to explore than the last"? Or that it's no longer a "true action adventure" when "you'll need to use your wits as much as you use weapons that turn alien scum into goo" and "{e}nvironmental puzzles are generally as good in Corruption as they've ever been"? Furthermore, how do we reconcile any of these serious criticisms with such a high score?

I guess it doesn't matter, that we don't have to worry ourselves about it, because "any fan ought to enjoy this outing in spite of those quibbles" {read "fan" as Metroid enthusiast}, "[t]he exotic worlds of Corruption will excite series fans" and "{i}f you're a Metroid fan, there's no need to convince you to play Metroid Prime 3: Corruption." In other words, the reviewer is saying that Metroid Fanboys will like this game no matter what...

...but the true point of this review is: if you're not already a "series fan," then despite the 8.5, you don't really need to bother with it.

The review is muddled, self-contradictory, and worse: against my better judgment, I walk away thinking that it sets out to intentionally sabotage the game that it purports to praise (remember: 8.5 is "high"). I don't know why; I can't fathom motive; but it's in the review, if you read it carefully.

I know it's been said before, but, do we even have to speculate that, when Halo 3 comes out, its reviewer will talk about how the game "feels familiar"? Or how Halo's controls don't match up to the industry leader (Metroid Prime 3, for the Wii), as Wii reviews nearly always mention how the graphics just can't compare to those of other systems? Will we be told that it's been "done before"?Of course not. We know Halo 3's review won't have any of that. Maybe this isn't a double standard. But, if it's not a double standard, then I guess I just don't know what "double standard" means.
another interesting thing is I've found a lot of intelligent comments from people who are disgusted by gamespot, and none from people who favour them.
I guess it's just easier to be an elitist cynic because you aren't obliged to explain yourself.
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« Reply #634 on: August 29, 2007, 08:54:07 am »
Eh, sorry, I can't bother to read that massive quoty textblock right now. But I do agree somewhat. The guy who reviewed Corruption is one of my least favorite Gamespot editors. Actually, I gotta check something...


Yep, as I thought, all three Prime games were reviewed by different editors. That explains the scores. Each review is credited to ONE editor. That's something you shouldn't forget. You can't just say "Ooh this entire site is biased in THIS direction", because each editor is an individual being, they write their own reviews and put them on the site. I agree with mr. Kasavin's review on the first Metroid Prime. Mr. Shoemaker (who's a pretty funny guy otherwise) gave Echoes a bit too high a score actually, if you ask me. For some reason, I was not entertained by Echoes at all. I borrowed it from my friend, I didn't even bother buying it. I played it through once, then tried again on the hard difficulty to try to squeeze a bit of more entertainment out of it, but I got tired just a few hours in and just returned the game. It didn't feel fun to me at all.

Alright, I agree, when compared, 8.5 seems ridiculously low a score. But that's partly because Echoes' score was way too high. I'd rather see the Echoes and Corruption scores switch places, even though I haven't actually played Corruption so I can't tell how fair that is (all my impressions so far have come from friends and fellow fans on the m2k2 boards).


Okay, so I read the massive quoteblock. The last bit about Halo 3 confused me a bit. Halo 3 doesn't have any of that "feels like I've done this before" deal, because the majority of the enemies are brand new, almost half of the weapons are brand new, there's like four or five brand new vehicles and every single map has something that the previous games haven't been able to do. Besides, in a way, I still think the control scheme comment is correct, even though it's phrased oddly. Imagine if Halo 3 would have fewer enemies and more platorm jumping, and the dual analog configuration was remade to be more like Prime to make the platform bits easier. That'd be completely strange. It'd be as strange as if Prime suddenly got a dual-analog scheme instead and had more focus on action instead of adventuring. Oh wait, that's pretty much what happened in Corruption.

But you're right, 8.5 seems too low when compared. Not that you should compare, really, but sometimes you have to. However, I'd have to play Corruption to be able to say anything more about it, and that won't happen because there's nothing that makes me want a Wii now. Too few good games, too MANY good games coming for the 360. Maybe in a year I'll end up buying one - we'll see. Ooh, maybe if they'd release an F-Zero or StarFox title...


[edit] Oh, and I've never seen any intelligent comment about any game review site, until now. I've never seen anyone else stand up for Gamespot. Why is beyond me, because I still trust them the most I've ever trusted any reviewer (except the guys on Attack Games here in Sweden while they still existed...) [/edit]
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« Reply #635 on: August 29, 2007, 09:23:05 am »
yah I'd agree with MP2 being a bit overrated, and it looks to be the worst of the prime trilogy (second if you count hunters)
and the halo 3 comment is a bit of a stretch, it makes a bit more sense to swap it with re4 :p
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« Reply #636 on: August 29, 2007, 11:40:36 am »
woo, drugs  :-\

nothing wrong with a little high now and then...  marijuana will be legal here within the next 10 years...

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« Reply #637 on: August 29, 2007, 01:02:19 pm »
woo, drugs  :-\

nothing wrong with a little high now and then...

That can be argued from many standpoints, not sure if I want to get into that discussion right now. But I don't think there's things severily wrong with soft drugs that aren't wrong with alcohol abuse. Addictive substances that put 'artifical happiness' within reach at any given time are a recipe for abuse. Even if it doesn't kill you, I'll tell you that I know very-very few people who are regular users where it hasn't taken over their life.


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That is very likely and probably for the best.

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« Reply #638 on: August 29, 2007, 01:43:26 pm »
   I've just never understood the fascination of weed. I've tried it, but never got it. Than again, I don't understand alchohol, as everytime I drink a couple beers, the taste just gets disgusting. Liquor is liquor. I guess I'm just not normal or something, but I just don't understand the fascination of drugs, as humans know that their bad, yet they still do it, as even some animals prefer to drink fermented fruits that have the ability to get them drunk, like monkeys, and birds. I'm getting the feeling that maybe it's ME who isn't normal...

   In other news, one of my friends died of an overdose. He smoked weed, but I didn't know he was into other harder stuff, as well. Apparently they didn't know he had died where he did, so he was left out in the sun for a couple of days in an empty apt. on the balcony, causing officials to search by dental records, due to his body being unrecognizable. Hopefully the guy's happy now, where ever he is...
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« Reply #639 on: August 29, 2007, 02:15:02 pm »
I can understand it... but it's pretty.. mehhh...

Back in highschool, I only really drank for the last two years, and man did I get sick of it.
First, I could no longer drink beer, so I switched to vodka, and eventually harder liquor as a means to get it over with.
After so many parties I got sick of being drunk, I never really let myself go and did something stupid I'd regret the next day, because I could never really shake my consciousness like everyone else seemed to be able.
I know it was just highschool and most of them were waiting for the opportunity to do some stupid crap, but I wasn't.
and every party was the same, same shitty music, same "ooh let's sit around a fire" "let's attempt a sport" "let's go get some chips" etc
so after a while I stopped drinking at parties and shortly after I stopped going entirely, I knew when I was drunk that it was really lame and boring, but I just assumed it was part of the excellent teenage experience and stuck it out, but when I was sober I couldn't stand it lol

My friends still come round every week and we sometimes drink, but I rarely will, I don't want to get drunk, so why put up with the taste?
stuff like marijuana I can understand much better though, I rarely smoke it, only with my friends, and what can I say?
it's more fun than being drunk, you don't feel a bit sick, no one else seems to lose their inhibitions and it doesn't taste crap.
I'd never pay for the stuff or smoke it alone for no reason, and I'd never do anything harder, as far as I'm concerned it's just a plant and a matter of time before it's "acceptable"
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« Reply #640 on: August 29, 2007, 02:20:12 pm »
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no one else seems to lose their inhibitions

Dude it's the number one reason a lot of dead-end morons in school ever got laid. You're just smoking with your buddies and there's no inhibitions there to lose. Try to go to a party where everyone's stoned... There's a whole batallion of girls that will have sex with you just so you will give them free weed. That's where the whole 'weed is cool' mythology starts, because it's more than just a social lubricant (like alcohol) it's a social shortcut. All these people who never amount to anything else than the weed-provider their whole life will be severily bummed out when the girls just go to the k-mart and buy their own hashish.

But guess what? They won't. Because once it's legal, habitual usage will go down.

Also, there's a lot of perfectly natural plants that will kill you dead in minutes if you eat them. Hashish might not be toxic (I'm not sure where the debate is on this one) but it kills brain-cells (slower than alcohol, but what does this tell you?) and it certainly has side-effects and a clear come-down for most people who take it. I've seen people get so depressed and paranoid after taking weed. You know what their solution is, right? Smoking more weed. Be careful.


I only drink Guinness (and Murphys when they don't have guinness) because it's A FULL NUTRITIOUS MEAL IN A GLASS and I never get drunk on it. It's just something I enjoy, taste-wise. Most beers and generally alcohol have awful taste.
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« Reply #641 on: August 29, 2007, 02:22:26 pm »
heheh a "social shortcut" I like that :P
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« Reply #642 on: August 29, 2007, 02:32:30 pm »
I don't get drugs, either. Or alcohol. I mean, I'm somewhat familiar with the sensation of being somewhat drunk (you can get in that state of mind in other ways than actually being drunk), so I get the point of it, but I don't see how it can be worth all the downsides. All alcohol, except for beer which is nasty, is freaking expensive. Oh, and some cider, but people don't drink cider to get drunk... I mean, even I drink cider now and then, to food. Even if it's alcoholic, it's so slight it barely even counts.

But people who have to take a couple of hours off one day to go to the liquor store to figure out what to buy to get the most intoxicated in the shortest time, and end up buying alcohol for more money than I spend for one week of food and candy... How that that be worth it? Same with other types of drugs, really. Except the downsides are fewer with many of them. But anyway, I don't get how people can enjoy taking substances that alter their mind and make them temporarily freaking stupid. I like to feel intelligent. Oh, wait, maybe that's what it's about? Some people are already too stupid, so they do drugs to forget how stupid they are so they can feel smart!

Eh, maybe not. I'm actually pretty damn extreme. I don't do any kind of drugs, even non-mind-altering ones. Well, there is one thing, I have to take pills for my pollen allergy, but I can't really do much about that. Luckily I seem to need less and less for each year, though, so maybe it's going away or something. But I know many people who take a pill and a glass of water for each measly headache they get. What's up with that? I haven't taken pills for pain and ache and stuff like that since I was too young to even remember doing it. We're talking at least ten years. Never once have I had a headache or migraine so bad I haven't been able to ride it out on my own.

Maybe it's because of my mentally healthy lifestyle, and the rest of the world needs drugs because it's too busy stressing out. I dunno.

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« Reply #643 on: August 29, 2007, 02:41:11 pm »
you guys seriously don't like the tast of a nice cold lager?  wtf.  I just like a couple of beers in the evenings to relax, and if im at a party then just drink fuck loads.  I guess getting wasted for fun is a very bristish thing to do, we have the highest teen-alcohol usage in europe.

i dont think weed is a social shortcut, most of the girls i know are a bit against it.  It just breaks up the monotony between beer and spirits, aswell as gives you so many different feelings. 

takam. : its not a party if your buying chips and playing sports man  :P

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« Reply #644 on: August 29, 2007, 03:00:12 pm »
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Never once have I had a headache or migraine so bad I haven't been able to ride it out on my own.

You are very lucky.

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« Reply #645 on: August 29, 2007, 03:26:02 pm »
   I'm kind of on the same boat as Rox. I can't stand taking medicine. I always ride out a cold, or ride through any headache I get. I kinda' feel there is a dependency for medication if one keeps taking them. I don't want to be that way when I grow up. For the moment, I've found that I haven't gotten sick in about 3 years already, and headaches have been kept to a minimum (which is strange since my mothers side of the family gets them all the time, a very medicated people they are...). I must be doing something right...hopefully.
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« Reply #646 on: August 29, 2007, 03:50:48 pm »
I've never done drugs and don't intend to, and the same goes with beer/liquor. I have had the displeasure of accidentally drinking some of my uncle's liquor, and some beer, and it completely turned me off. Not to mention the smell... As for drugs, not my thing, I don't think it ever will be.
I do take medicine a lot, I have constant migraines and have been medicated for stomach problems, but I've never felt a dependency(though morphine in the hospital was great...). I've even been prescribed with some high-inducing drugs(with fatal and dependency risks) for tooth aches, and still never felt any sort of addiction to them.

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« Reply #647 on: August 29, 2007, 04:06:22 pm »
takam. : its not a party if your buying chips and playing sports man  :P
I never went to anything like a rave, but whats wrong with stopping to play some drunken rugby or volleyball?

My family has a history of migraines, all my brothers and dad gets them, but not my mother or sister.
I've only had 3 in my life, but my two eldest brothers get them pretty often, at least once a year.. and man it sucks.
last time I had one was about 3 years ago, friend dyed my hair, it burnt my entire scalp, and it stayed burning for the next couple of days.
triggered a migraine, so the next few days consisted of vomiting, cold baths, dark rooms and very little hearing, seeing and talking.

if we were a religious family, we'd probably consider it some sort of blessing, my brothers basically speak in "tongues" when they've got 'em
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« Reply #648 on: August 29, 2007, 04:13:37 pm »
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« Reply #649 on: August 29, 2007, 04:53:40 pm »
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I never went to anything like a rave, but whats wrong with stopping to play some drunken rugby or volleyball?

My family has a history of migraines, all my brothers and dad gets them, but not my mother or sister.
I've only had 3 in my life, but my two eldest brothers get them pretty often, at least once a year.. and man it sucks.
last time I had one was about 3 years ago, friend dyed my hair, it burnt my entire scalp, and it stayed burning for the next couple of days.
triggered a migraine, so the next few days consisted of vomiting, cold baths, dark rooms and very little hearing, seeing and talking.

if we were a religious family, we'd probably consider it some sort of blessing, my brothers basically speak in "tongues" when they've got 'em

My doctor diagnosed my headaches as migraines, and I get these pretty much on a weekly basis. Though they're not as severe as that, I never throw-up, but I do feel like throwing up, and I get the usual, 'light and sound kills me' feeling, just not that extreme. Sadly because I have head and stomach problems, medicine for my stomach messes with my head, and medicine for migraines mess with my stomach. It's a bad loop.
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